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Catholics not concerned about ‘cult’ comment – PM

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves (File photo).

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent – Vincentian Catholics are not concerned that an aspiring politician said last month that some of their doctrines are similar to those of a religious group described as a “cult”, Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves — a Catholic — said this week.

The opposition New Democratic Party (NDP), in response to the statement by Shefflorn Ballantyne — a Community College lecturer — formulated a policy prohibiting its candidates and prospective candidates for the national assembly from making adverse statements about religion.

But Gonsalves said that in doing so, the party was “convulsed in trying to settle questions which have long been settled in Western civilisation and now only exists in Afghanistan between the Taliban and [Afghan President Hamid] Karzai and inside of the NDP”.

The policy came after Ballantyne — who wanted to run for the NDP in North Windward — said on radio that Gonsalves should have condemned the Catholic Church when he spoke about a religious group that some citizens have described as a “cult”.

Ballantyne, a member of the Thusia Seventh-Day Adventist Church, said the group and Catholics share similar doctrines.

Then opposition senator, Anesia Baptiste — also a Thusian — had her senatorial appointment revoked after she stated her intentions not to obey the NDP policy, proposed by party president, Opposition Leader Arnhim Eustace.

She claimed that the policy was unconstitutional but both government and opposition politicians and legal experts have disagreed with her.

The 66-year-old Gonsalves, who was ill in Barbados during the development, commented during a media briefing Tuesday as he outlined several projects that his government hopes to undertake.

“I don’t know how much time the good Lord has remaining for me or how much longer after this term the people of St. Vincent and the Grenadines will give me to implement these things,” said Gonsalves, who is into the second year of a third consecutive five-year term in office.

“But while I am dealing with future, … while we are looking forward, other people have their heads firmly grounded in the past,” he said in reference to the opposition NDP.

Shefflorn Ballantyne, left and sacked senator, Anesia Baptiste (Internet photo).

Gonsalves said that while he has been a Catholic from birth, he didn’t “want to play that I am more Catholic than the Pope.

“What the young man, Mr. Ballantyne, said was wrong about the church,” he however, stated.

“But really, does anybody seriously think that the Catholics in this country were exercised about what a young man who teaches at the Community College from Sandy Bay says on Cross Country Radio?

“This is a church of 2,000 years old, which has survived communist regimes; people try to dismantle them and they survived and thrived,” Gonsalves further said.

“Nobody’s concerned about what young Ballantyne says on Cross Country Radio as to whether the Pope is divine or not divine or some other thing and you are making a celebrated issue to convulse the whole place …”

He further said that SVGTV reported on the development nightly “as if it is a significant issue — unless they (SVGTV) want to laugh at them (the NDP).

“I mean, I sit down and I watch these things. I am a participant but I also have to analyse. … Are these (the NDP) serious people? And I am talking as a Catholic.”

Gonsalves said that the Catholic Church does not teach that the Pope is divine.

“The Pope is a human being. … in relation to church policy and issues of doctrine, they speak of the infallibility of the Pope in that regard; but the Pope as being divine? I don’t know about that and I have been a Catholic all my life.

“And really, Shefflorn Ballantyne saying something on Cross Country Radio that would send a modern political party into convulsion and have 17 people have an inquisition for a whole day on this matter and at the end of the day you don’t even give the man a chance to be heard and you tell me you are a modern political party?”

He was referring to the meeting at which the NDP decided on the policy and echoing a criticism levelled by Baptiste — who attended the meeting — that the policy was agreed upon without the majority of the meeting having heard Ballantyne’s comments directly.

“Oh Heavenly Father!” Gonsalves said, adding, “I don’t really want to get into their business but since I am talking and I am also going away and they will cuss me in my absence but that’s nothing new.”

Gonsalves spoke one day before he left for Taiwan where he will attend the second-term inauguration of President Ma Ying-joeu on Sunday.

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20 thoughts on “Catholics not concerned about ‘cult’ comment – PM

  1. The Obeah Man speaks,the ulp is without conscience,intelligence or morals,every second the dotish man talking,talk about de economy Comrade..nobody cares that it takes a village to raise a child,so if you didn’t teach a child proper manners at home the nypd would gladly do it for you,there are protocols,it’s surprising that Camillo hasn’t passed gas loudly in a un meeting

    Posted by Joe | May 18, 2012, 14:35
  2. Once upon a time SVGTV reported real news,thank the Lord for IWITNESSNEWS,and Karib cable,nobody listens to the nightly ulp column,so lime and hairoun basically waste advertising money advertising during the “news”

    Posted by Joe | May 18, 2012, 14:39
  3. All I can say is that the Catholic Church are not fussy about what cult leaders they associate with.

    Remember Gonsalvse said “I ONLY DO OBEAH FOR THE LORD”

    Posted by Peter | May 18, 2012, 19:28
  4. joe you preach about svgtv

    Posted by grampa | May 18, 2012, 21:39
  5. Joe, the MERE FACT that you would put the NYPD and TEACHING a CHILD PROPER MANNERS at HOME in the same sentence clearly shows that you’re NOTHING more than a LOON.

    Go and ask the Vincentians LIVING in NEW YORK about the NYPD, Joe.

    In fact, go and ask EUSTACE or EUSTACE’S SON about the NYPD.

    Posted by VINCYPOWA | May 18, 2012, 22:32
  6. VINCYPOWA, forget all your crap about Joe, the Gonsalves boy was wrong, and you were wrong to blindly support him.

    You will notice that no one has been sued, we all know that if there was any possible chance of the Gonsalves having a windfall by suing, they would of done so.

    They are professional litigators, and Donkey is prolific.

    Posted by Peter | May 19, 2012, 19:53
  7. WHILE YOU’RE AT IT JOE, please find out from those Diplomat Residence SECURITY GUARDS, the NYC Police Department, Mayor BLOOMBERG, and the US State Department, if the SVG Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and/or the SVG Mission to the United Nations, have SENT THEM THE NORMAL DIPLOMATIC NOTE OF REGRET FOR THE VERY UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT THAT OCCURED AND WAS UNTACTFULLY BLOWN OUT OF ALL PROPORTIONS and subversively used to DISTRACT, DISCREDIT, and forlornly used to beggingly accumulate radical, ‘militant’, bona fides for the Papa doc’s “BABY Dipper.”

    `Was that normal diplomatic Note sent ? When was it sent ? Or, are we still lacking in diplomatic protocol ?

    Has the UNDIPLOMATIC diplomat acquired VINCENTIAN CITIZENSHIP as yet ?

    HAD he previously OBTAINED US STATE DEPARTMENT PERMISSION to enable him to appropriately REPRESENT A FOREIGN COUNTRY ?

    Has he acquired SVG CITIZENSHIP yet ? Was he subsequently NATURALIZED AS A CITIZEN OF SVG ?
    AS OF WHAT DATE ?????

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 20, 2012, 00:59
  8. I have lived at various times in NEW YORK and have had dealings with the NYPD. Joe, you need to ask me ? WHAT EXACTLY IS VINCY POWA wanting to know ? A drowning man will forlornly grasp at miragic straws.

    So, VP has some common experience and knowledge with “EUSTACE AND EUSTACE’S SON” ? Quite interesting. Is this the REASON why the OPPOSITION LEADER chose to give a moderate, balanced, measured, mature, and TEMPERATE response to the reports of the UNDIPLOMATIC diplomat incident ?

    You talking on behalf of Mr. Eustace and his family, now ? Quite interesting. Your IDOL, the COPYCAT, incessantly called on the OPPOSITION LEADER to make a statement on the issue, BUT, when Mr. Eustace did, the ILL-MANNERED PETTY DICTATOR proceeded to curse out the OPPOSITION LEADER. Talk about BITING THE HAND. The ingriate wanted the decent gentleman to ANSWER ONLY WHAT HE THE COMMIE WANTED HIM TO SAY.

    And, the jury is still out on whether this incident was not DELIBERATELY PROVOKED for subversive and propaganda purposes. Then, again, these ‘socialist orientation’ guerillas will manufacture any would-be atrocity in order to distract the SVG people from our acute, deepening, enraging sufferings, impoverishment and hopelessness.

    Incidentally, WAS THE BABY DIPPER REPRIMANDED by anyone ? Has he been re-called, including for further/better training, and possible re-assignment to a less sensitive post ? When will we have a full disclosure of his assets, both current and their status on his entering the government service the other day ? What are the reports on his entertainment, housing, etc., allowances, and how do these compare with the PMs ? In what instances have his emoluments, with entertainments, housing, etc., surpassed the PMs ?

    Has the Baby dipper yet made his official application for naturalization as a SVG citizen ? As of what date ?

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 20, 2012, 15:56
  9. The Poop is speaking on behalf of catholics,for those of you questioning Gonsalves spiritual/moral authority to speak on behalf of catholics,Christians and decent people,do not question Poop Gonsalves for he is infallible l.o.l

    Posted by Jahu | May 20, 2012, 22:03
  10. DOES SVG have a U.S.-born, US CITIZEN, working as its U.N. AMBASSADOR, having NOT EVEN BEEN NATURALIZED as a SVG Citizen ?

    IF the person is question has applied for naturalization, and been naturalized, COULD YOU TELL US AS OF WHICH DATE (s) ?

    IF NOT, haven’t several laws of our STATE been VIOLATED ? Who will bell this cat ?

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 21, 2012, 10:50
  11. Well all you Catholics should take careful note, and all you Christians in general need to wake up.

    Gonsalves said “ I only work Obeah for the Lord.
    [No one can work Obeah for God, so can we assume he refers to the Lord of Darkness, the devil himself?]

    At Park Hill, Gonsalves said that; “I am so popular that they all want to touch my Garment”.
    [here he is comparing himself to Jesus, would a Christian make such a statement?]

    He stated in Mespo, that his FACE was like Jesus face but Eustace was not.
    [would a Christian say such a thing]

    In Calder he said that he would destroy Vynnette and the NDP in the name of the Lord.
    [which Lord, it could not be God, once again is he reffering to the Lord of Darkness, the devil himself?]

    These Statements can only be considered as blasphemous.

    This Despot also stated when he got into power that a STAR was born, he also stated he is the Caribbean KING.

    And you so called Christians support and follow such a man?

    And as for you leaders of the Church’s that support him, you are the worst of all.

    Iran have an open policy to execute anyone who claims to be a Christian in Iran, unless they refute Christianity. Christians in Iran are persecuted, tortured and executed. They are refused work and whole families are starved.
    We did a deal with Iran whereby we vote for or with them at the UN whenever sanctions are voted on or while Christian and human rights in Iran are voted on. In return they have given us money which was put into the airport. [Is this the act of a Christian?]

    Now the airport at Argyle is known as the ‘Christian Blood Airport’ resulting with the airport and all who seek this dirty money for it, cursed.

    NOW WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE IS FACT NOT FICTION, HOW DO ALL YOU CHRISTIANS RECONCILE YOURSELVES WITH GOD.

    Posted by Peter | May 21, 2012, 10:53
  12. Talking bare poop….

    Posted by Trees | May 21, 2012, 20:50
  13. “…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.” Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”, #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

    Just thought I’d drop this in,

    Posted by Protestant | May 22, 2012, 06:17
  14. THERE ARE SOME GREAT HEALTH SPA”S IN CANADA, GONSALVES WHY NOT TAKE A LONG REST.

    GONSALVES, Canada is waiting for you, there is a special welcome awaiting you, Be a man and go to Canada, stop being a coward, if you have nothing to fear go.

    Be a sport, cheer us up.

    Posted by Peter | May 22, 2012, 13:42
  15. Message to Colin Williams DPP SVG:

    Can you tell us who the five women are who made statements against Gonsalves, accusing him of rape or sexual act of some kind.

    WILLIAMS, is it true you were formerly a member or partner in Gonsalves legal firm? Is it true that you were a leading party inner member of the ULP? Is it true that you were installed as DPP by Gonsalves? Is it true that in the capacity of DPP you refused to allow the prosecution of Gonsalves to proceed on any and every charge ever brought against him?

    Posted by Peter | May 22, 2012, 13:55
  16. According to press reports emanating from the recent UNDIPLOMATIC diplomat trumped up incident in NYC, it was inadvertently revealed that the Baby dipper was a U.S. born, U.S. CITIZEN.

    As a concerned, patriotic, Vincentian, I, like MAN ABOUT TOWN, would like to know :

    IS SVG’s U.N. AMBASSADOR NOT A S.V.G. CITIZEN ?

    Was the SVG UN Ambassador NOT A NATURALIZED CITIZEN OF SVG, seeing that he was NOT born in SVG, much less Jamaica or Barbados ?

    Are SVG’s Independence CONSTITUTION and other Statutory Laws being VIOLATED AND BROKEN WITH IMPUNITY IN THIS INSTANCE ?

    Was/Is the gentleman’s appointment UNCONSTITUTIONAL ? Is it ILLEGAL FOR A FOREIGN CITIZEN TO HOLD THIS U.N. AMBASSADOR position ?

    Are any U.S. laws also being violated?

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 23, 2012, 01:05
  17. IS THIS THE OFFICIAL SPOKESMAN FOR THE CHURCH, NOW ?

    COMMUNISM AND POLITICS, I daresay, ARE A HIGHLY POTENT MIX : FASCISM of the JIM JONES VARIETY.

    “Socialist” JIM JONES and the PEOPLE’S TEMPLE CULT ?

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 23, 2012, 21:58
  18. “COMMUNISM AND RELIGION . . .” [sic].

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 23, 2012, 22:00
  19. STEVE-HUGGINS, remember daddykins, that’s supposedly Donkey Gonsalves, Donkey can issue an economic citizenship and diplomatic passport at any time he feels like doing so for money or favor or just because he wants to.

    If it can be proved the Donkey is the boys father, then the boy can become Vincentian on application. Personally I would demand a DNA test, and police report from the NYPD as to his behavior record, in this modern day that is the way forward, we can’t be to careful. We don’t want pretenders to come here claiming asylum, like all those Vincentian ladies that go to Canada because they are raped and beaten.

    When I say asylum in the boys case I am of course talking about the lunatic asylum here.

    Remember Donkey Gonsalves issued a diplomatic passport to the old Canadian Vincentian, who flew to the UK whilst using it, carrying a kilo of cocaine and was arrested at the UK airport.

    Now what I would like to know, was that passport classed as an economic passport in the truest sense? fortunately being a Diplomatic issue, the UK authorities had to let him go.

    This very man is rumored to be opening a casino at the airport at Argyle with a Chinese Canadian stir-fry cook.

    Morgan the Canadian Vincentian is the uncle of Judith Jones-Morgan SVG Attorney General, she was in fact traveling to the same fet in the UK, but on a different flight.

    I hope all you people in the Diaspora get some shares in the new laundry, sorry I meant casino.

    Where did the US$1 million in cash come from? I just hope that was not brought into the country in a Diplomatic bag, using a Diplomatic passport.

    Posted by Peter | May 24, 2012, 17:22
  20. Just as an afterthought to this article, I have just sent the Pope a copy of what Gonsalves said in parliament “I only do Obeah for the Lord”

    I thought the Pope might find it interesting.

    Posted by Peter | June 1, 2012, 18:27

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