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Ballantyne did nothing wrong – Baptiste

Shefflorn Ballantyne, left, and sacked senator, Anesia Baptiste (Internet photo).

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent – There was nothing wrong with Shefflorn Ballantyne’s comments which resulted in the New Democratic Party’s (NDP) policy on religion and the dismissal of fellow Thusian, Anesia Baptiste, from the senate last week, the former senator said Wednesday.

Ballantyne, a one-time prospective NDP candidate, this month criticised Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves for his comments about a religious group that some say is a “cult”.

He said Gonsalves was hypocritical in his criticisms because the doctrines of the “cult” are similar to the Catholic Church’s.

“The issue I was making was the issue of hypocrisy,” Ballantyne said at a press conference he and Baptiste held on Wednesday.

“Nowhere in my statement did you hear me refer to the Roman Catholic Church as being a cult,” he further stated, adding, “… people can have their own perception as to whether that constitutes the launching of an attack against the Roman Catholic Church …”

He noted that he was remarking on a newspaper article that reported Gonsalves’ comments, which were in response to a reporter’s question.

“Up to today, no one has used the same rule that they try to use with me with relation to the Prime Minister,” he said.

The opposition last week formulated a policy that prohibits its candidates and potential candidates from making adverse comments about religion.

“Because here he is condemning a religious group and he is the highest politician in the land. So how come that sort of hypocrisy is allowed to pass?” Ballantyne said of Gonsalves’ commentary.

“It is like the proverbial wolf, ready to eat up Shefflorn Ballantyne for making a simple comparison, for highlighting a hypocrisy that he has observed over the years and he himself has experienced, because our religion was referred to as a cult as well by the Prime Minister himself…”

Meanwhile, Baptiste — also a Thusian — quoted former U.S. President Thomas Jefferson who said, “The opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction.”

“You give the impression that because it will hurt the party you will limit the expression of our candidates,” Baptiste said in reference to the pronouncements of NDP leader Arnhim Eustace on the policy.

“You (Eustace) … tell them you can’t be critical of religious teaching publicly,” she further said.

She said that she “stood in defence of Shefflorn Ballantyne because he did nothing wrong.

“He was not speaking on behalf of the party (NDP),” Baptiste said, adding that Baptiste was critically analysing a newspaper article, which cited Gonsalves’ denunciation of the “cult” and was asking for fairness.

“He, in essence, criticised the hypocrisy of the Prime Minister. He did not ever call the Roman Catholic Church a cult.”

She said Eustace made an issue of the Ballantyne’s statement to the point where of firing her “when I essentially exposed that it was a non-issue and there was unfair discrimination in dealing with Ballantyne, that there were weightier matters to attend to and that I could not support such an unconstitutional policy.”

“Ballantyne never attacked any religion. The NDP didn’t have such a policy before. She was never aware of such a policy and no one proved it was there when she said so in the meeting,” Baptiste said.

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23 thoughts on “Ballantyne did nothing wrong – Baptiste

  1. BECAUSE THE THUSIANS ARE GENUINELY DEDICATED TO INTENSE STUDY AND ANALYSIS THE DEMI-GODS IN THE NDP ARE THREATENED AND RIGHTLY THEY SHOULD BE, BECAUSE ANESIA AND SHEFFLORN AND ALL THE OTHE THUSIANS, BECAUSE OF THEIR DISCIPLINE WOULD HAVE TRANSFORMED THE VERY NATURE OF THAT BLOCK-O CALLED NDP. THEY WOULD HAVE MADE IT INTO A POWERFUL PARTY. AND FOR BETTER OR WORSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE UNDER THIER VIGILANT LEADERSHIP.

    IT IS THE FULLNESS OF TIMES FOR THE FORMATION OF A THUSIAN POLITICAL PARTY FOR THERE IS A BIBLICAL SCIENCE WITH WHICH ANESIA SHOULD BE FAMILIAR: WHENEVER A GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL IS DESPISED AND REJECTED AND SPITEFULLY PERSECUTED IN VERY MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT THE NDP IS DEMONISING ANESIA, IT IS AN INDICATION THAT THAT GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL IS DESTINED TO RISE AND TRIUMPH, ESPECIALLY THROUGH PERSEVERANCE AGAINST ALL ODDS.

    ANESIA, I’M ON YOUR SIDE AND ON THE SIDE OR THIS HISTORICAL EPOCH IN WHICH YOU ARE THE CALLED, “ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THEM THAT LOVE GOD, WHO ARE THE CALLED…”

    Posted by F.U.D.Z. | April 27, 2012, 08:48
    • FUDZ they said the samething about Jim Jones.

      Posted by John | April 27, 2012, 11:48
      • JOHN YOU AND I HEARD THE JIM JONES STORY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA WITH IT’S FBI INJECTIONS….WE HAD TO SWALLOW WHAT WAS FED TO US…I NO LONGER DO THAT. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. BLESS

        Posted by F.U.D.Z. | April 27, 2012, 17:54
    • FUDZ you are a heartless person. Your discourse is filled with nothing but cynicism geared mainly towards, 1. encouraging Anesia to senselessly lambast the NDP and 2. helping her to destroy herself. This is indeed a sad situation for Anesia but she needs to hear the truth which is to stop and do some serious introspection with the help of the Holy Spirit. What you are doing FUDZ is equal to what the devil will do.

      Posted by justice | April 28, 2012, 10:44
  2. FURTHERMORE ANESIA BAPTISTE IS THE ONLY CREDIBLE INDIVIDUAL ARGUING IN FAVOUR OF OUR FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS…SHE IS A PRODUCT OF HISTORY AND AS SUCH HAS A MEANINGFUL ROLE TO PLAY IN OUR POLITICS ALBEIT AS AN EFFECTIVE AGITATOR

    Posted by F.U.D.Z. | April 27, 2012, 17:56
  3. So fudz i assume you are saying that the mass suicide of 909 Temple members in Jonestown, Guyana along with the killings of five other people at a nearby airstrip. Over 200 children were murdered at Jonestown, almost all of whom were forcibly made to ingest cyanide by the elite Temple members was a lie and maybe they had a sun stroke?

    Posted by John | April 30, 2012, 10:33
    • FASCIST COMRADE AND JIM JONES:

      JOHN, please don’t forget the SOCIALIST ELEMENT IN THE PEOPLE’S TEMPLE COMMUNITY EXPERIMENT. JIM JONES CONSIDERED THIS A SOCIALIST COMMUNITY, SOVIET-STYLE. In sum then, when we mixed cock-eyed RELIGION with SOCIALISM, the cooking pot result was objectively FASCISM. It would a gross injustice to cover for or suppress the socialist ideological underpinnings of Jim Jones and his FASCIST PEOPLE’S TEMPLE.

      To my best recollection, thus far, A.B. has yet to follow socialism. The Copycat comrade does, that’s one of SENATOR BAPTISTE’S AVOWED CAUSES FOR LEAVING HIM AND THE ‘SOCIALIST ORIENTATION’ unity LABOUR PARTY.

      Seeing the atheistic communist is now claiming to be such a regular religious guy, can we be consistent to the logical conclusion that COPYCAT is nearer in ideology and orientation to his erstwhile snake-oil comrade-in-arms “Socialist” turn “Religionist” — ONLY that one-ah-dem was the other direction, RELIGIONIST TURNED SOCIALIST?

      So, WHO was that other FASCIST — SOCIALIST TURNED RELIGIONIST?!!

      COPYCAT ‘comrade’? Or, he pardner JIM JONES?

      Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 1, 2012, 15:12
      • Steve,

        I am lost, please give me directions to return to the topic at hand>

        Posted by John | May 2, 2012, 09:58
  4. John you need to Pray for F.U.D.Z…..Of course you have to take the Americans side of the Jim Jones story because JIm Jones and all of his followers committed suicide,,,,,duhhhhhhhhhhh…if you want to hear their side you can go to hell where they are now. Anesia is not a lawyer and must stop trying to make people think she understtands the law and the constitution becaue clearly she does not. Panell Campbell Q C in his TV programme ‘ The Law and You” said categorically that no one has the right to publicly criticise another religion. He cited parts of the constitution and the law to prove him point. So before Anesia go about talking about the law and constitution she needs to consult with persoon who know about the law…So Mr Esuatce was perfectly right in asking potential member not to publicly criticise anyone’s religion because that is against the Law of SVG

    Posted by Arthur | May 1, 2012, 09:05
  5. BLACk-POWER TRAITOR:

    Arthur, you disappointing me these days. PARNEL — who? Did you see the DRACONIAN LAWS THAT CHARACTER IMPOSED ON HAPLESS VINCENTIANS, just a few years ago? Didn’t you quite recently see DICTATORIAL DOWN-PRESSING OF THE SVG PEOPLE?! Please, Arthur, come with something else.

    Why didn’t you query him about the NANO incident? What is his story, now? We never did get it right. What about all those extra, additional, further financial compensation?

    Isn’t this the same guy, who only he and ralphie, and the intemperate one from Grenada, who were THE ONLY ELITES WHO WERE QUALIFIED TO READ AND UNDERSTAND OUR SVG CONSTITUTION? What rubbish was he braying this time? So, how can you rest on that as settled law? Remember, Arthur, for these political opportunists: Yesterday’s LIES become Tomorrow’s TRUTH.

    Somebody once gave we a teach-in, when POLICE be run/raid we, and he tell we ’bout PSYCHOLOGICAL SLAVERY. Today, me again see wey ey be mean. He buddy still does sing every Friday — for he TEA, BREAKFAST, AND DINNER. No wander he, too, succumb to he own bitterest enemy in abject PSYCHOLOGICAL SLAVERY. Oh, for the total psychological liberation of SVG!

    Seriously, where POLITICS is involved, I cannot trust PARNEL, RALPHIE, JOMO, or the rest of that sad, subjective, lot to be OBJECTIVE AND DISPASSIONATE. Sadly, there is serious need for greater adherence to professional ethics in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. The parochial politics and professional legal opinion cannot seem to respectfully co-exist. On, rue the day when Hirouna lacks moral objectivity!

    Now man start to get a glimmer of anderstanding of what the forecasters told us about unjust judges. We even getting shameful UNDIPOLMATIC ‘diplomats’ these days. weh we country ah come to atarl dese days????

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 1, 2012, 15:37
  6. Shefflorn and Anesia soooo close……….in the photo I mean.

    Posted by L Sutton | May 1, 2012, 17:56
  7. DOAN GET GOOSE BUMPS, SUTTON. JUST CLEAN UP THE LITTLE DIRTY MIND. READ THE PSALMS!

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 1, 2012, 21:27
  8. @ Steve_Huggins i understand what you are saying but on this issue I would quicker take PR Campbel’s point-of-view than Anesia’s….

    Posted by Arthur | May 2, 2012, 21:13
  9. Stating that “the Roman Catholic church’s doctrines are similar to that of a cult” in my mind, is implying that it is a cult. It’s like saying a Becquia plum has similar features of a yellow plum. Guys come on people are not that stupid. As an a Seventh-Day Adventist I am aware of that view about the Roman Catholic church, so please just be man and wowan enough to own what Shefflon said. I guess Anesia did not expect him to plublicly state it and that is why she probably was so passionate about the urgent need for damage control.

    Posted by CJ | May 3, 2012, 02:34
  10. John, my sympathies.

    Jim Jones’ PEOPLE’S TEMPLE = RELIGION + SOCIALIST IDEOLOGY.

    SENATOR ANESIA BAPTISTE = RELIGION + NO socialism.

    RALPH GONSALVES = Religion ??? + YES SOCIALISM.

    Posted by STEVE _ HUGGINS | May 3, 2012, 03:40
    • STEVE_HUGGINS, my sympathies to you.

      Arnhim Eustace=clueless=leaderless=three time loser=eventual fourth time loser

      Dr. Ralph Gonsalves=visionary=keen leadership=three time winner=eventual fourth time winner

      Posted by VINCY POWA (@VINCYPOWA) | May 4, 2012, 08:53
  11. John, do you need the guide dog, also?

    [FUDZ, they said the same thing about JIM JONES]

    Jim Jones’ PEOPLE’S TEMPLE = RELIGION + SOCIALISM.

    FASCISM = SOCIALISM = RELIGION.

    SENATOR ANESIA BAPTISTE = RELIGION = NO socialism.

    COPYCAT comrade = ‘SOCIALISM’ + RELIGION ??

    SUMMARY: Copycat comrade = SOCIALISM + RELIGION ?? = a FASCIST ??!!

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 3, 2012, 21:07
  12. Correct me if I am wrong, I was always led to believe that Campbell sold the Labour party to that bunch of Marxist scum bags and the Unity Labour Party was the result. Without that action Gonsalves would never of been able to form a government.

    Campbell has changed sides so often over the years that is why Gonsalves called him a COCOBAY.

    Did you know that Campbell went to CUBA to get instruction on the constitution. He came back and said publicly how wonderful CUBAN system was and how he had been mislead in the past by the colonialists.

    Gonsalves promised Campbell a Knighthood if Campbell could structure a new constitution to Gonsalves wishes and instructions.. If the constitution had changed making Campbell SIR COCOBAY would of been the last act by Gonsalves before giving the Queen the boot.

    FOR SOMEONE TO PRAISE THIS MAN, YOUR VERY SICK.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE AND SMELL THE SULPHUR

    Posted by PETER | May 7, 2012, 12:57
    • PETER, we’re WIDE AWAKE, but it seems like you’re under the INFLUENCE of too much SNIFFING of the SULFUR. I heard it is BAD for your HEALTH.

      Posted by VINCYPOWA | May 8, 2012, 01:41
  13. RALPH = LOOSER, 1979 Elections, upm
    Ralph = LOOSER/NO SHOW?, 1982 Bye-election
    Ralph = LOOSER, 1984 Elections, mnu
    Ralph = LOOSER, 1989 Elections, mnu
    =======================================
    THREE (3) Times LOOSER, er … FOUR TIMES or more?

    Over 20 years in political desert, until RESCUED by the COCONUT – BAT boy [his words, not mine] —-

    BUT, soon undermining, infiltrating, subverting, and eventually OVERTHROWING the rescuing party by MARXIST-LENINIST SABOTAGE. LOOSER.

    TEN YEARS, PLUS, RUNNING SVG INTO THE GROUND. LOOSER.
    LOOSER . Where is the poor people “Post-Office PENNY BANK”, YOU HAD TO SELL IT TO OTHERS? LOOSER
    LOOSER. WHO THE HELL SELL OUT WE NATIONAL COMMERCIAL BANK ? LOOSER.
    LOOSER. Where ? Oh, Where is our BANANA INDUSTRY ? LOOSER.
    LOOSER. What on earth are you doing to our N.I.S. ??? LOOSER
    ====================================================
    LOOSER Copycat comrade. LOOSER.
    LOOSER SOVIET RUSSIANS.
    LOOSER MENDICANT, BEGGAR-STATE COMMUNIST CUBA.
    marxist-leninist COMMUNIST LOOSERS.

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 7, 2012, 14:15
  14. No, PETE, I think that it was VINCENT IAN BEACHE who politically SOLD OUT the St. Vincent Labour Party (SVLP) to the LENINIST. P.R. Campbell, had an earlier opportunity, before Stanley “Stalkey” JOHN, to serve as the Labour Youth to eventually take over the SVLP in a near normal succession. Instead, P.R. went to his buddy Kenneth John to form Democratic Freedom Movement (DFM), later renamed People’s Democratic Movement (PDM).

    The PDM [CAMPBELL and Ken JOHN], after utterly failing in the 1974 General Elections, went over to their more extreme leftist enemies, Gonsalves’ puppet YOULIMO, to form the vulgar MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE with them — The UNITED PEOPLE’S MOVEMENT (UPM) on the bell of the 1979 Elections wherein they were mercilessly defeated by the UNITY MOVEMENT of Joshua’s PPP and Cato’ SVLP.

    But, it was my former model Vincent, Ralph’s infamous COCONUT BAT country bookie, who joined with LABOUR’ WORST POLITICAL ENEMY, Ralph Gonsalves, to DISLODGE control of the SVLP from Beache’s successor, Stanley JOHN. Then, the Leninist copycat politically undermined and discredited STALKY and Ormiston “Ken” BOYEA, and any other comers, in order to alienate and/or exile those former faithful party leaders.

    Of course, for various “reasons”, some as yet undiscovered, people like LOUIS STRAKER [earlier politically raged against “… that RED ‘ass’ … “], RENE, and others, including Wade, joined the sorry lot of BEACHE in politically SELLING OUT SVLP to the LENINIST and his behind the scene MARXIST-LENINIST COMMUNIST BACKERS.

    P.R. sadly OVERREACHED himself while being JUSTICE MINISTER and ATTORNEY GENERAL in the Mitchell NDP administration, with some undermining shenanigans by the Communists and their local dupes. Otherwise, CAMPBELL would most very likely been the successor immediately in place to take over leadership of NDP from the “Son”.

    I finger Vincent as the real leading culprit in politically selling out SVLP to their hated communist ideological enemies.

    Did you notice that Beache became the tentative figure-head leader, then STALKY JOHN, the leader of the main party in the so-called coalition, SVLP, was PUSHED ASIDE to make way for the Leninist ? The substantive Leader of the SVLP, STANLEY STALKY JOHN was NOT the one to become the FIRST, or NEXT IN LINE. No, he gained absolutely NOTHING. They STOLE THE SVLP from him, in broad, clear daylight. Talk about subversion, infiltration, duplicity, political undermining, SET-UP, and ideological coup d’etat.

    Admittedly, UNFORTUNATELY FOR SVG, V. I . Beache politically SOLD OUT the SVLP to its greatest enemies and detractors, the discredited, FAILED, Marxist-leninist bunch.

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 24, 2012, 11:45
  15. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ILLEGAL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL to PUBLICLY CRITICIZE a RELIGION or church.

    It is FULLY LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL to PUBLICLY CRITICIZE a RELIGION or church.

    No lawyer or “legal expert” worth his salt would say OTHERWISE, or CONTRADICT THE ABOVE STATEMENTS.

    ANY lawyer or legal expert would be woefully MIS-INFORMING THEIR LISTENERS IF THEY SAID OTHERWISE.

    It is utterly ignorant to state that a citizen CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE LAW or the CONSTITUTION.

    ANY legal expert or lawyer who lectures you that a citizen other than a lawyer or legal expert CANNOT understand the SVG CONSTITUTION or LAWS OF SVG in COMPLETELY MIS-LEADING, MIS-INFORMING, and MIS-EDUCATING YOU.

    Beware of the elitists and ‘experts’. They often hold us for hapless PREY, or ransom.

    We constantly encounter pure, unadulterated RUBBISH being all too frequently said on TV or radio, public, in the METROPOLE, SVG or the Eastern Caribbean.

    While there is LIFE, then there is HOPE.

    A Grade 8 [Second Form. Senior 2] education, or above, would be helpful and ideal, but any well-read national with even less formal education, “schooling”, or ‘Technication’, CAN UNDERSTAND OUR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS.

    YES WE CAN.

    DON’T make ANY ONE try to FOOL YOU, otherwise.

    FOOL AH TARK, but NOT fool ah listen.

    HIGH TIME for some objective INTELLECTUAL HONESTY, MASCULINE INTEGRITY, and LEGAL AND PROFESSIONAL ETHICS in SVG, once HAIROUNA.

    Each and every citizen, and youth, BEAR THE SOBER RESPONSIBILITY of GUARDING THE GUARDIANS, critiquing the actions and policies of the temporarily elected representatives, and KEEPING A CHECK ON REPRESENTATIVES – – – especially in relation to THE CONSTITUTIONALIY OF THEIR LEGISLATION, POLICIES OR ACTS. That is our FOREMOST JOB and DUTY as CITIZENS OF SVG.

    OUR VERY REASON FOR BEING AS CITIZENS IN SVG. Raison d’etre.

    When the corrupt politicians ATTEMPT TO INFRINGE OUR BASIC SVG LAW, the SVG INDEPENDENCE CONSTITUTION, 1979 – – – WE MUST FIRMLY REMOVE THEM FROM THAT OFFICE.

    WE, SVG People, HAVE TO BE THE ULTIMATE GUARDIANS OF OUR GOD-GIVEN FREEDOMS AND CONSTITUTIONAL INDEPENDENCE.

    Nothing but ETERNAL VIGILANCE is the PRICE of OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE IN SVG.

    neighbor oh – – – nah mek no bady tell yuh otherwise ! No, NOT EVER ! dem ‘tink we foolish —an nah hah no sense.

    Long live, the FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE OF THE GREAT PEOPLE OF SVG.

    SVG, our HAIROUNA, forever !

    Who WILL STAND for FREEDOM, INDEPENDENCE, INTEGRITY, OBJECTIVITY, FAIRNESS, and TRUTH ?

    WHO WILL STAND IN THE BREECH FOR ST. VINCENT and THE GRENADINES in 2012 ?

    Posted by STEVE_ HUGGINS | May 24, 2012, 12:23

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