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Arrested diplomat says NYPD cops need better training

In this image, captured from an Internet video stream of the meeting in Brooklyn, New York, Wednesday night, Ambassador Camillo Gonsalves gestures as he recounts his March 28 arrest by a New York Police Department officer.

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent – The Vincentian diplomat who was arrested in New York last month says the incident highlights a need for better training of at least some cops in that North American city.

A New York Police Department (NYDP) officer on March 28arrested Camillo Gonsalves, this country’s permanent representative to the United Nation, in the lobby of the building where his office is located.

The diplomat was arrested after he stepped between barricades to gain entry to the building – something he said he and other building occupants have been doing for years.

He spoke of the need for better training of NYDP officers stationed outside the building, which houses about 15 diplomatic missions.

He made the point on Wednesday at as he discussed the incident with Vincentians in New York – and responded to their questions — at a town hall meeting in Brooklyn.

Gonsalves noted that the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations says that diplomats are not subject to arrest or detention

He, however, said that even a superior of the cop who had arrested him did not know what a United Nations’ identification card looks like.

“When the (higher ranking) police officer came, … he was so clueless, for want of a better word, about diplomatic protocols that he didn’t even recognise the diplomatic U.N. ID.

“… Because I am the Permanent Representative of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, it says ‘Permanent Representative’. It doesn’t say ‘diplomat’. And he says, ‘Well what is this ‘Permanent Representative’ thing that we are talking about here?’ This is the level of the awareness of the gentleman who came,” Gonsalves said.

Gonsalves, who was handcuffed during the incident, said that the cuffs were removed only after U.S. State Department officials instructed the police to do so.

The cops had earlier ignored the entreaties of other diplomatic personnel who told them that it was unlawful to arrest diplomatic personnel.

He further said that the cops didn’t know how many diplomatic missions were located in the building.

“The State Department official said, ‘How could you be guarding a diplomatic facility and you don’t know how many diplomatic facilities you are guarding?’” Gonsalves said in recounting the conversation between the U.S. State Department officials and the police.

“So, clearly, there is an issue of training of the officers — at least that particular officer that was on duty that day,” Gonsalves said, adding that cops’ attitude, in addition to their training, is important.

The diplomat, who is also a lawyer and an American citizen, said that although he was in handcuffs for about 20 minutes and was being questioned, he was not read his “Miranda Rights”.

Gonsalves said that while the NDPD has generally done “done an excellent job” of guarding and protecting the building, “… what we have seen in this incident is that many, many of them are poorly trained and poorly sensitised to what is taking place.”

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25 thoughts on “Arrested diplomat says NYPD cops need better training

  1. “Arrested diplomat says NYPD cops need better training” HAhahahah, That’s one funny headline, and it fits because if it wasn’t for this incident most Vincentians abroad wouldn’t even know who he is. And now that it is starting to appear that they can’t sue for no money, he is resorting to his father’s tactics of slander, what a shameful creature this man is. And for your information Camillo, the officer did a great job, that’s why a person who didn’t even identify himself was not able to go in. You people are sick in your head.

    Posted by blane | April 13, 2012, 06:50
  2. Gonsalves boy, perhaps the police need some better training, but so do you, in diplomacy and also in common sense. Your behavior needs modification to disallow arrogance when dealing with others in lesser positions.

    This situation could of been very simply handled by you Gonsalves boy, you failed both in diplomacy, common sense, and personal behaviour.

    You have brought disgrace on SVG, and with the help and instruction of you daddy it continues.
    You have fallen well short of what we the people expect of you.

    Telling lies, extreme arrogance, crass personel behavior, and calling people dreadful names, are traits that you father has excess of, for your future try and be different than him. History is already written regarding daddy, its looking pretty crap.

    Posted by Peter | April 13, 2012, 07:14
  3. Once again Camillo comb your hair,you should at least comb your hair before addressing Vincentians in the diaspora,if you entered the UN building looking that disshevelled,no wonder officer Parker questoned your credentials,anyone whether black,white,read or blue would think you didn’t belong.You are not in SVG,the UN isn’t your living room/verandah,there are rules,decorum etc. Camillo needs to be replaced,by Mike Finlay,Jimmy Prince, or someone who better represents what it means to be Vincentian,someone 110% Vincentian, or even Mr Citibank Louis Straker himself,who having reached one f the highest positions in one of the world’s leading banks understands Decorum,this is the highest position Camillo has ever held,that’s the problem.Louis Straker as ambassador to the UN would never let it get to his head,because for Camillo the position is like a huge promotion but for Louis Straker it will feel like a demotion,so it wont get to his head

    Posted by Lisa | April 13, 2012, 15:37
  4. Camillo is acting as if he was assaulted by the black squad,if the UN building was in S.Vincent,and the black squad was guarding it no quasi dictator’s son would get off that easy.They would beat the crap out of him,then plant the gun/ganja,he wouldn’t be smiling giving interviews he’d be in the hospital,then De Komrade will take the side of the black squad,have that ambassador deported then go on some rant about nobody could come into svg and disrespect poor Vincentians,and there would be call in programs praising De Komrade saying how if it was ndp they would have bowed to foreign interests.
    But Seriously imagine if it was Black Squad:
    “Dotish boy saying sumpn bout Jenny Convention,you know any Jenny having convention in dis building?”

    Posted by Joe | April 13, 2012, 15:59
  5. To the apologists for the NYPD, if you think it’s only the Permanent Representative of SVG who has to face this because he lacks “diplomacy” go to this article. – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17699074
    It’s racial profiling, brotherman. The NYPD officer said he could be a terrorist. What does a “terrorist” look like? What did the Oklahoma bomber look like; and how many people were sure that the perpetrator had to be an Arab/Muslim? Camillo, unfortunately for him, does look like many Arabs. How many other diplomats in the building have been stopped?

    Posted by Pat Robinson Commissing | April 13, 2012, 18:29
  6. Why some of our people are behaving so, this is our country. We must stand up for SVG at all time. They only taking the side of the stupid police office, because Camillo is the son of the prime minister. Had the shoe on the other feet, the reaction would have been different thrust me. They would have call for the head of the commissioner of police, and some government officials. NYPD officers needs better training sick. Vincy to me bones

    Posted by Jason Edwards | April 13, 2012, 23:12
    • Jason we are expressing our opinios about the whole situation. It have nothing to do with which party Camillo belongs to. We are all vincentians the discussion is really about whether Camillo acted like a professional when he was approached by the officer. I would say again the cop had no idea who camillo was. A simple solution such as producing a valid identification could have prevented the confrontation. None of us are above the law.

      Posted by Real | April 14, 2012, 20:23
  7. Pat Robinson Commissing, why don’t you stop being so stupid, why are you trying to change what Mule Gonsalves has allready told us, he refused to show ID when requested and in so doing acted in a way unbecoming of a UN Ambassador.

    You trying to protect him when he was clearly in the wrong, and in his own words told us what happened, you are doing immense damage to the Marxist led party, the ULP, .Well done keep up the sterling work.

    Posted by Peter | April 14, 2012, 18:46
  8. That’s no way to treat THE COMRAPE’s son

    Posted by ulp forever | April 15, 2012, 05:39
    • “That’s no way to treat THE COMRAPE’s son”. hhaahah, i really have to laugh, did you mean “COMRAPE” or “come rape”.Because we all know the comrade and the rape business.

      Posted by blane | April 15, 2012, 13:24
    • ULP Forever, it was OK for SVG police to kick the opposition leaders daughter in our parliment? What are your thoughts on that one?…. You F**king hypocrites should be pelted with the same sh*t yo’all trying to feed us.

      Posted by Hella | April 17, 2012, 12:42
  9. Patriotism?About what?We have a country where the pm has been accused of rape twice,we had the second highest rape rate in the world,we are worse off than our neighbours to the point that St.Lucia has taken over svg,people are fleeng SVG as if it’s on fire,we’re playing the rass on building an international airport,a feat that nearly all our neghbours have accomplished without half this nonsense.
    Maybe Vincentians would support the Ambassador if he was from St.Lucia and not some cry baby son of the Comrade.Many of us are keenly aware of the amount of debt racked up by this government,and the fact that we’ll have to pay it back while Camillo most likely wont be back after his father loses the next election,so don’t give me this nonsense about patriotism.We need a country and a leadership that’s respectable,not a kleptocracy run by thieves

    Posted by Joe | April 15, 2012, 11:42
  10. JOE, go take your MEDICATION.

    Posted by vincypowa | April 15, 2012, 19:01
  11. JOE, well put and acurate.

    Posted by Peter | April 15, 2012, 19:53
  12. JASON EDWARDS, having just read your post, I am of the opinion that you are an extremely stupid person, what Gonsalves would describe as the dunce class. I would describe you as one of the pratt class.

    Posted by Peter | April 15, 2012, 19:58
  13. All of the negative comments are coming from folk’s with an axe to grind. They certainly don’t help this discussion in any way at all. More so they need to be better informed about the real circumstances.
    They start out from the standpoint of what they think they know to be the truth, as opposed to what really is the truth. All their comments are ambiguous and therefore useless.

    @ Blane. NYPD cops do need better training. N.Y city statistics compiled by various organizations attest to that. Do your research. Here‘s a good starting point. http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/nypolice/ch2.htm
    Blane most Vincentians abroad and at home do know who Camillio Gonsalves is, and show immense respect and appreciation to/for him. Secondly no one is aware, not even you, that Ambassador Gonsalves is slandering any one. Show us your proof?
    On the other hand, the officer’s job is not to check any visitors, workers, or delegate’s identification upon entering the building. Folks in St Vincent and the Grenadines don’t know that, New Yorkers do. You’re the one that‘s sick in the head. Go back and educate yourself.

    @ Peter. I’ve dealt with you already. Quit while you’re behind.

    @ Lisa. If you didn’t have anything meaningful to say, why even bother to mention Decorum. Stick to the topic…Camillio has curly hair as you can see, and we accept that. My daughter thinks he looks “cool”…she carries locks.

    @ Joe. “For one word spoken a man is known to be wise, and for one word spoken is known to be a fool, therefore we ought to be careful of what we say”. Do you fit in anywhere here?

    @ Real. Please read the above (@ Blane) and apologize for your lack of knowledge. Say hello to Joe.

    @ULP. A common personality trait amongst Vincentian is their sarcasm… I’ve learnt to curb mine since realizing it’s ugly and indecent, you should too.

    Posted by Knight | April 16, 2012, 11:16
    • Gimme a break, the Vincy people you know are not “most” Vincy people. New york Vincentians don’t represent most Vincentians, i even have Vincy cousins who live in Holland for pete’s sake and they sure as hell don’t know all the Prime minister’s children.And yes he’s slandering the cop, it doesn’t matter what you want to say, based on the information, Camillo himself said he walked off on the police and now he’s talking about he needs better training, give me a break, Camillo is the one who needs better training. Do you know why diplomats are never arrested?, because the rest of them have enough sense to identify themselves. Camillo didn’t even have the decency and sense to identify himself and upon not doing so, the police didn’t know who he was arresting, so don’t even start about Vienna convention. You just are talking based on feelings, i just say wrong where ever it is and who ever it is.

      Posted by blane | April 16, 2012, 17:24
      • Slander: “So, clearly, there is an issue of training of the officers — at least that particular officer that was on duty that day,” And anyone who thinks a cop was wrong for arresting a man who didn’t identify himself is crazy. The officer might have been racist or he might have just not like Camillo, but walking off without identifying himself open him up for what took place. Making a mountain out of a mole hill, the man got a little rough up for partly his own doing, but what about the people in our own country that get beat up all the time by the police.

        What about the boy the police in SVG, beat up and they weren’t even suspended without pay, Camillo life is not more important that any other Vincentian, just shut the hell up.

        Posted by blane | April 16, 2012, 17:34
  14. KNIGHT, in rusty armour. In attacking all the decent people that post here, you are making yourself look a total jerk. No one with an once of decency would support this MARXIST scum bag regime unless they are paid to do so. This is not the Labor Party, this is a Marxist party dressed as the Labor Party. The old Labor Party was sold to a bunch of Marxist scum bags who found it difficult to get elected, and who would of never been able to form a government. Only by buying into the Labor Party was all this scum elected.

    Gonsalves and his Marxist comrades were hated by our parents and grand parents, just have look in the news papers of that era.

    You write as if you are someone of substance, in fact you are a know all know nothing jerk.

    What’s great is that the people that read this news media, including those in the Diaspora know you are a dishonest liar. You are a person who supports wrong and evil, fully well knowing its wrong and evil, yet proclaiming it right and pure. Supporting this Marxist scum regime led by Donkey Gonsalves who is a serial liar of the first order. You are likened to a Nazi collaborator, telling tales to the ULP on your neighbors and friends, anything to get a crumb from the table or your head in the trough as Gonsalves once described people like you.

    All the negative stuff as you call it happens to be the truth. Like the US$1million dollars in cash, in an old crocus bag which was taken to the bank by ‘Philistine Francis’ the unelected unelectable joint ruler of SVG. Then all the money in US$s cash given out to family, friends and ULP hierarchy. Tell us how much did you get? what was your share? Clean money comes via a bank, not in cash in an old bag, the money can only be dirty.

    Then this very stupid boy Mule Gonsalves who by refusing to state he was a diplomat or show his ID got roughed up a little, a very lucky boy not to have been shot. People like you then supporting him in his stupidity.
    I could bet my bottom dollar that you were right up the front at Donkey Gonsalves rape rally.

    You support these people blindly even though they are wrong, that make you like a receiver of stolen property as guilty as the thief. Gonslaves told us “show me liar and I will show you a thief, we should at least thank him for that clarification.

    Instead of clanking around in that rusty suit, get some decency in your life.

    Posted by Peter | April 16, 2012, 18:28
  15. Most advanced countries have training for diplomacy, no country would allow a boy loose as an ambassador with no training or class.

    Here is the American Acadamy of Diplomacy, the UK, France, Germany and most normal countries have such facilities.

    http://www.academyofdiplomacy.org/

    Posted by Peter | April 17, 2012, 20:26
  16. Sorry Blane, you’re the one who needs better training. Your understanding of the word “slander” is a dead giveaway.

    I realized firsthand that you could not offer up any proof as to how Ambassador Gonsalves slandered the Officer…now I know for sure. Go look up the word “slander.

    Judging from your posts, your thought patterns are flawed, so it’s not in my best interest to entertain you in any further discussion on this matter.

    As I mentioned in my previous post; “for one word spoken a man is known to be wise, and for one word spoken is known to be a fool, therefore we ought to be careful of what we say”. Seems like you fit in here!

    @ Peter. You’re downright silly and rude. You constantly refer to the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines as a Donkey, and the Ambassador as a Mule.

    The only Donkey and Mule I recognize on this Blog is you. Dogs bark, Cows moo, Pigs grunt… Donkeys bray, that’s what you do best, bray.

    Mules on the other hand are very stubborn beasts…so are you! Let me be the first; and certainly not the last, to bring this to your attention.

    As I indicated to Blane “it’s not in my best interest to entertain you in any further discussions….” admonish you yes, if needs be, but not to try and correct, or educate you in any respect… That will be a lesson in futility; you already think you know everything. You’re on your own, sink or float.

    But I can tell you’re sinking fast, very fast…that’s why you’re crying out for help, crying out to be heard, in your every post; Me First! Me First!

    But here’s a little something for you. Listen up!

    ‘Those who know don’t tell. Those who tell don’t know.
    Not to set the tongue loose, but to curb it.
    Not to have edges that catch, but to remain Untangled, Unblinded, Unconfused, is to find balance.
    And he who holds balance beyond sway of love or hate, beyond reach of profit or loss, beyond care of praise or blame, has attained the highest post in the world’.

    Posted by Knight | April 18, 2012, 10:33
    • slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove.

      I think the dictionary is pretty darn self explanatory. I noticed a trend with the people who support Gonsalves and his cronies. You all can never make a serious argument about your points, but instead go straight into personal attacks, that’s the reason VINCYPOWA has been say “go take your MEDICATION”, for a whole week straight, because their is nothing of substance, that you all can say. And the foolishness that you post is the reason why the PM is still in office, LET ME EXPLAIN something that you always fail to realize. The PM and Ambassador are the highest public servants in ST Vincent, keyword SERVANTS, we do not serve them, they serve us and they have done a very bad job of it. Am not even going to entertain someone who idolize their servants like you, but at least try to talk about why Ralph Gonsalves and his son are serving St Vincent well and you will quickly realize how foolish you sound. Have a good day.

      Posted by blane | April 19, 2012, 05:48
  17. Wow! KNIGHT are you telling us that your really GOD?

    If you want to know how I came up with Donkey & Mule names, ask VINCYPOWA, your co-‘cottager‘. I am sure you know him quite intimately, the ‘Tea Room’ boy.

    Posted by Peter | April 18, 2012, 19:51
  18. PETER, again, FEEL FREE to TELL US how you came up with the NAMES because I do not have a CLUE of what you’re YAPPING about.

    Posted by vincypowa | April 19, 2012, 07:42
  19. VINCYPOWA, yes you do, stop wasting our time.

    Thanks again for your past help in showing the people just how evil this Marxist regime is.

    Were you talking about ‘cottaging’? or Donkey & Mule?

    BUB

    Posted by Peter | April 25, 2012, 10:10

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