Gov’t could claim LIME’s building – PM

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent – The government might be in a position to acquire the LIME building because of a 1988 lease agreement.

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves told Parliament yesterday that LIME’s lease agreement with the government expired in 2008 and had not been renewed.

He made the point while responding to a question from West Kingstown Member of Parliament Daniel Cummings regarding the exact terms and conditions under which the car park in Kingstown, built by the Chamber of Industry and Commerce, was granted to a Solidarity Inc. to manage.

Gonsalves said that the now opposition New Democratic Party, in lease 696 of 1988, leased to Cable and Wireless – now LIME – the land on which its building is constructed.

According to the lease, the company was to pay the government EC$2,000 for each of the first 10 years and EC$4,000 for each of the following 10 years.

“I just want to say that under the Cable and Wireless lease, they have a 10-year option after the 20 years, as it says, … the rent would be based on the current value of the premises. Now, since 2008, we haven’t collected one red cent because we haven’t had an agreement as to how much it would be,” he told lawmakers.

“Now, you know if a lease comes to an end, under the law of this country and there is no payment for anything further and there is no continuation, the building which is on it also belongs to the lessor,” Gonsalves said.

“… When everybody wants to do things with government and to treat government as though its an NGO, I haven’t said anything about this and I only say something about it now because this question is being raised,” he further stated.

Gonsalves at a recent press conference, in which he announced forensic audit of six international companies operating here, also spoke of entities wanting to treat the government as an NGO.

He made the point while discussing the move by LIME to disconnect government telephones because of non-payment of bills.

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27 thoughts on “Gov’t could claim LIME’s building – PM

  1. Lime watch it, they just start. This is slackness on the government side and we only know about because lime took action. Is it right for me to say lime is better manage than the SUSU company. God bless SVG.

    Posted by Bird | March 27, 2012, 07:22
  2. This is a commercial matter between lessor and lessee, and could be simply dealt with as such. To bring it into the public domain shows that Gonsalves is scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something to hit them over the head with.

    Didn’t I say watch out for the spite that will be administered to LIME, for daring to ask for payment of outstanding bills by government, and then cutting off phones when government tried to bilk them.

    First the accusation of overcharging, then the tax angle, now a lease problem, what next.

    LIME you have either got to wipe off the outstanding amount owed by government or get out, take all your cables and equipment out during one night and go, or put a big hammer through everything

    You will never beat this evil MARXIST regime, you will be a loser whichever way you jump. Because from now on the government or its agencies will never pay you again.

    If you decide to leave you can then tell us about the government phone tapping operations.


    By the way Gonsalves, as its ALBA’S intention to take over all telecommunications in ALBA countries, what an ideal opportunity to get some brownie points from CHAVEZ. If anyone doesn’t believe me I can publish the official ALBA intention list, which has since disappeared off line.

    Posted by Peter | March 27, 2012, 08:46
    • Peter, you have a right to say, “I told you so”.

      Posted by justice | March 27, 2012, 11:00
    • I beg to disagree with you Peter. While it may be that the Prime Minister chose to make this issue public because of grievances with Lime, Lime should have realised that this was a possibility. Peter, this is not a private commercial matter between lessor and lessee. It is a public matter that all Vincentians should know about, and should have known from the beginning. We need to to start understanding, as a nation, that the government is the people of SVG and not the ULP or NDP or whoever is in power at the time. If we truly understand this, then we will appreciate the fact that the Pime Minister is doing his job as the steward of the people’s business by informing them of this breach by Lime.
      The “people” leased the lands to Lime, and Lime is in default of its lease with the people. The Prime Minister is within his right to seek redress on the peoples behalf.

      Posted by Eric Williams | March 27, 2012, 11:12
  3. Ralph Evil Gonsalves.

    Posted by justice | March 27, 2012, 10:59
  4. This is so funny, the man is gone. Why haven’t the government acted on this since 2008? Are you kidding me? Peter boy you predicted this and sure enough it is upon us.

    Posted by vincy in bad shape | March 27, 2012, 11:01
  5. Peter, here we go again Ralph showing you all Idiots how he is the man with brain and nobody corner him. I am sure Eustace or nobody who come on air and blast the government that they can’t pay their bills did not do the homework and see what Ralph got on Lime before running off you all damn mouth and looking like a jack ass when Ralph comeback and hang Lime alive with their own robe.

    NDP need a man with a brain to come close to Ralph, time for you and the supporters to call for a new face to lead the NDP. Eustace is a dunce, he can’t compare to one of Ralph finger.

    Who coming out the winner LIME OR GOVERNMENT========GOVERNMENT……..Lime was stupid no go up like that against Government weather it was NDP or ULP government in office before getting their house in order….

    They are just idiots with no brain just like the NDP leaders.

    Posted by kyshit | March 27, 2012, 16:36
  6. Peter your words: This is a commercial matter between lessor and lessee, and could be simply dealt with as such. To bring it into the public domain shows that Gonsalves is scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for something to hit them over the head with.

    Peter, Ralph not scraping he is ready for anyone who want to challenge him. He just waiting like a blow up balloon ready to burst the minute anyone come after him…..YOU HAVE TO ADMIT HE IS A MAN WITH BRAIN.

    Posted by kyshit | March 27, 2012, 16:51
  7. Let me ask the question again: Is PM Gonsolves a leader of a country or the leader of a ” Columbian-type, Mafia- type political Gang? Vengence. Is this all this man knows? No wonder this country is so “DEKCUF- up”

    Posted by WEHHA | March 27, 2012, 17:33
  8. If am leasing from you, it’s your responsibility to send me a lease renewal sometime before the lease expire. I will do what I like if you do not send me a renewal of the lease. Did the government send one for lime?

    Posted by Bird | March 28, 2012, 07:42
    • Very good point Bird. For the person who is executing the lease to come now and say that LIME is in violation, 4 years later – mind you, this is insane!! Was he saving it for a trump card or something so he could have something over LIME?? I won’t be surprise if the government has NOT been paying its bills to LIME for the same 4 years.

      Furthermore, does being in violation of a lease means that they are not paying their dues? He’s making it out to sound as though LIME owes the government, but it could very well be that the lease is out but they continue to pay the dues as usual. That sort of thing happens all the time.

      One question I have though is this: if LIME packs up and leave SVG today, what happens tomorrow? The answer to this question may very well determine who wins this game.

      Posted by Bagga | March 28, 2012, 15:23
  9. I am surprised that not a one of you commented on ALBA, this is part of ALBA policy to own all telecommunications, there is a published document stating so, doesn’t that interest any of you that Gonsalves took us into ALBA without your permission.

    KYSHIT, you really are a stupid person, here we are being led into a load of Marxist crap and your supporting that.

    Gonsalves has got a brain, its just a shame that he is also evil, you don’t have to be evil to run a country.
    He has purposely split this country in two, employing all sorts of crap collaborators, telling him about their neighbours and family who don’t support him, so as he can release his spite on them. I suspect KYSHIT you are one of those very people, part of the scum brigade.

    There are people who’s houses were damaged in past hurricanes and floods, because they support the opposition, their houses remain in a state of ruin, whilst people who live nearby to them who support ULP have had repairs carried out in record time.

    The government runs on lies and dishonesty, the same is expected of and got from their supporters.

    Gonsalves is in power because the ULP bought their supporters with galvanise roofing, lumber, refrigerators, gas stoves, only days prior to the election, and some had deliveries at 4 am on the day of the election, isn’t that buying votes, of course it is, and it just shows how cheap the ULP supporters come. The whole of the government store at Arnos Vale was emptied, and remains so to this day, because the government is broke and can’t replenish it.
    Many ULP still have stocks of building materials under their houses, because their greed made sure they got more than they needed, more than they could use.

    One thing you are correct about KYSHIT, Gonsalves is like a balloon, a balloon about to burst and cover us all in shite. I sat with him at dinner the other day, what a performance, that of a pig. Twice as much food as anyone else eaten in half the time. If you invite him to dinner it would probably help if you had a JCB standing by. What a glutton, what a disgusting little fat Marxist scum bag, sorry scum balloon.

    Our country under the administration of Gonsalves as Minister of Finance, has been bankrupted by his policies. Gonsalves tells us he is here to finish the work of Maurice Bishop, that Marxist scum bag who led the Grenada revolution, he was also a turd, fortunately he is dead. Bishop broke his country also, he lied to the IMF and World Bank and falsified the books and documents under the instruction of the Cubans, to obtain money from IMF and WB. I do not state this lightly, it is the truth, there is evidence in the Public Records, held at the Public Records Office in Grenada and also at the Maryland Public Records office in the USA, I have copies.

    Gonsalves told us we were on the cusp of prosperity, he gave us bankruptcy.
    Gonsalves told us he would be hard on crime and reduce crime, he has brought us an explosion of crime.
    Gonsalves told us he would help banana growers and agriculture in general, he has destroyed it.
    Gonsalves told us that wages would be increased by 30%, with the inflation they have been reduced by 30%.
    Gonsalves told us ‘TOGETHER NOW’ but brought us ‘APART NOW’.

    Money taken to the NCB bank by Gonsalves’s cousin Francis, in an old crocus bag, 1 Million US Dollars in cash, bank rejected it but no prosecutions forthcoming.
    For months Gonsaves ULP and others banking substantial amounts of US currency, including Gonsalves wife and children. Whistle blower fired from bank.

    Under Gonsalves we have lost our National Bank, which was saved at the last minute from bankruptcy. Government departments borrowed money from the bank in excess of the legal government limits.

    Under Gonsalves we have had to sell the State Supermarket, it couldn’t pay its bill for supplies etc.

    Under Gonsalves we have had our government telephones cut off for none payment, the LIME Telephone Company is then showered with spiteful actions for their demand of payment.

    Gonsalves held a rally, known world wide as the ‘Rape Rally’, this brought disgrace on the country.

    Gonsalves has brought together his people in debate, yes masturbate, total wankers.

    Gonsalves never went to Court when charged with sex crimes by two different women, Colin Williams the DPP decided there was no case to answer. The world was told Gonsalves had been cleared of the accusations, he had but only by the DPP not the Court. Colin Williams was previously a member or partner of Gonsalves legal chambers and also a top official of the ULP.

    Those of you who think that this is the Labour party of the past, its not, its a Marxist run party, with ignorant and idiotic followers and supporters.


    Posted by Peter | March 28, 2012, 07:56
  10. All who are talking,if you had your light cut off by Vinlec for $300.00 and Vinlec owes you thousands;What will you do? People passing your gate laughing,turning up their nose-What will you do? Worse still,Vinlec is renting from you and not paying-tell me guys ,what will you do???????????
    This is all about the leadership or lack of it at LIME

    Posted by albert | March 28, 2012, 09:00
  11. Peter as a lot of people knows, I support the NDP but is even questioning that allegiance.
    If you are that CLEVER Peter why is it you are not questioning why a piece of Prime real estate is being leased for EC$ 2000 a year with a projected 2012 rent of EC$4000?
    Any entity owned by the Government/people of St Vincent is public interest.

    Posted by Earlyn Warren | March 28, 2012, 09:17
    • It’s somewhat dishonest of you to mention the amount of the lease without saying that the lease was signed in 1988 for 20/30 years. It’s prime real estate now, but was it “prime” back in 1988? I don’t know. I’m only asking.

      You are bringing the first telecom company to the country at a time when probably no more than 20% of the people could afford a telephone. How much would you have signed such a lease agreement for if you were C&W? Remember we’re talking 1988, starting from scratch with no infrastructure in place.

      Posted by Bagga | March 28, 2012, 15:38

    Posted by Jason | March 28, 2012, 09:30
  13. This thread is hilarious! I can see the lease agreement not being negotiated due to lack of vigilance and poor administrative practice by both parties. I would however be surprised if the yearly payments stopped after 2008. Why would Lime stop making a payment that is customarily paid every year? That would indicate that Lime is totally off its rocker and trying to “skin” the Government for $2,000 a year.

    Is it that negotiations for the lease renewal were attempted but stalled? Or is it that they were never attempted? It would be difficult for one party in an arrangement to negotiate. Usually, it takes two.

    Finally, should there be no limit to Lime’s tolerance for bad debt?

    It is amazing the sort of thing that people would thump their chests and brag about.

    Posted by Jeannine James | March 28, 2012, 12:31
  14. Peter you really a dam ass, all you do is open yo big mouth and accused people without any fax to support your statements. You suspect me of being a person part of a scum brigade, I am neither a supporter of NDP nor ULP I am a Vincentian living abroad. NDP have 7 seats in the house and not one time they push Ralph in the corner and hold him, what that tell you, they are like a class room of ABC children when it come to leveling with Ralph. The moment the cat get out the bag about government and lime, the NDP should have done their homework and find out if the government have any hold on lime before supporting lime in cutting government lines, but instead they open their big mouth and support lime for doing it, now they all have to sit in the corner and shut up, I would like to hear what they have to say now.

    Yes Peter as warren mention, why you not raising any questions on the price of the land. That is one of NDP agreement, how come Eustace did not advice them to shut their damn mouth until they clean up their house before attacking the government, well they mess with the wrong man….Brain man Ralph.

    Peter all that talk and accusation about Ralph and his family member regarding money, can’t you see not even the opposition wouldn’t fight it because they can’t prove it .Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

    Peter you need to find a man with a brain for the NDP to go up against Ralph, that is your home work.

    Posted by kyshit | March 28, 2012, 13:17
  15. KYSHIT, stop being a silly boy and getting upset by the truth.

    Anyone of such a low mentality as to support this Marxist regime, should not be posting stupidity on subjects that require a degree of intelligence.

    Now put on Dunce Hat and sit in the corner.

    ALBERT, your listening and reading the words of a confirmed liar, you never know when Gonsalves is telling the truth.

    Posted by Peter | March 28, 2012, 20:53
  16. Of course its of interest to SVG, but wasn’t it a simple matter to just negotiate another lease and get on with what both parties should be doing.

    Because at the end of the day both parties are at fault if they failed to notice a lease expiration date, that is until Gonsalves out of spite ordered a search of everything that may be used against LIME, leave no stone unturned.

    No instead Gonsalves has found a weapon of spite and announced the matter publicly as a dire threat to LIME.

    Gonsalves is a nasty vindictive little fat spiteful Marxist scum bag, a man of extreme rubbish. The one thing he is pretty consistent at is telling lies, he is a serial liar.

    If LIME continued paying the lease rent and the government continued accepting it, things then are not quite the way liar king would have us believe. Because LIME continued to have an interest in the land and because the government took rent, an extension of the lease took place, LIME may be in a better position than they would of been under the original lease.

    How about inventing a new board game ‘SPITE’.

    Posted by Peter | March 29, 2012, 08:59
  17. JEANNINE JAMES, which post are you referring to?

    Posted by Peter | March 29, 2012, 09:02
    • In response to Peter’s of March 29, 2012, 09:02:

      I referred first to the news article itself. Second comment was in response to Kyshit-March 28, 2012-13:17. In the latter, sarcasm got hold of me and would not let me go….lol!

      Posted by Jeannine James | March 29, 2012, 14:09
  18. Dearest Jason, your quite right Gonsalves is not black, but he has declared himself black many times over the years, he claims that being black has nothing to do with your colour, he says its an attitude. Yes he actually said that,

    By the way Jason I do not use the word dearest as a term of endearment, I just saying that you must be one of the most expensive scum bag paid collaborator in the ULP stable of informers and protectors. Did you get any of US dollar hand out from the million US dollars floating about Kingstown?

    According to Gonsalves people like the Chastoneys of Saint Lucia are not black they are brown skinned Mulatto’s, yet he declares his son as being black, isn’t he a Mulatto too.

    When it suites him Gonsaves is a raving racist, he uses race to attack people of all colours, just look at his disgusting utterances about Eustace

    Who cares what colour a man is, I certainly don’t, what I do care about is all the evil that comes from this man and from the ULP in general.

    The prince of darkness takes many forms.

    Posted by Peter | March 30, 2012, 08:18
  19. Hey Peter, is Bryan Alexander a MULLATO too?

    That said; Camillo is not a mulatto.

    His maternal parent would DISQUALIFY him as such.

    That said; there is no one more RACIST than the person that goes by the ALIAS PETER, so do not PROJECT THOUGHTS of SELF unto others.

    Again, you’re an EMBARRASSMENT to this nation called St. Vincent and the Grenadines

    See you around BUB.

    Posted by VINCY POWA (@VINCYPOWA) | March 30, 2012, 10:50
  20. Mulatto denotes a person with one white parent and one black parent, or more broadly, a person of mixed black and white ancestry.

    But I suppose seeing as piggy Gonsalves claims to be a white blackman, the issue is quite confusing even for you VINCYPOWA. And seeing as Gonsalves says black is an attitude not a colour, then brown must be even more of an attitude. How can we resolve this, was it sex that piggy Gonsalves had with the Jamaican mother [his first wife, Sonya] or an attitude? It certainly was his attitude that eventually divided them.

    This is really confusing.

    VINCYPOWA, you must really hate Brian Alexander because you have raised his name on a number of occasions in the past, an attempt by you to sully his name, or are you suggesting he is just an attitude.

    VINCYPOWA, the evidence is there about Gonsalves being racist, seeing as you are supporting him in this matter, you by association must be racist as well.

    The only embarrassment to this nation is piggy Gonsalves and his Black and White Minstrel Show, he only claims to be white when he is in intelligent mode, when he is in nigger mode he claims to be an attitude. You VINCYPOWA support him in his racist stupidity, your as evil as him.

    Posted by Peter | March 30, 2012, 12:09
  21. Just an afterthought, are you all aware that the word mulato, is derived from mula, Portuguese, meaning mule, the hybrid offspring of a horse and a donkey.

    Remember it was donkey Gonsalves that raised the Mulato thing first.

    Now I understand some of the attitude thing, I once had a donkey with an attitude. What an ignorant, stupid and stubborn creature it was, a real attitude. See the relevence.

    So lets just call him donkey.

    And we can call VINCYPOWA, chunky the man with the pineapple bollocks.

    Posted by Peter | March 30, 2012, 12:29

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