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Int’l law expert says Vincentians don’t qualify for asylum in Canada

Dr. Richard Byron-Cox says no Vincentian qualifies for refugee status in Canada.

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent – A Vincentian international law specialist says that based on international protocols none of his compatriots qualifies for refugee status in Canada.

“… all these young women who are doing all that sort of nonsense in Canada, tell them I say, based on that treaty of 1951 and the protocol of ‘67, they cannot and will not succeed in the courts of Canada,” Dr. Richard Byron-Cox said on radio this week.

The issue of Vincentians – mainly females – applying for refugee status in Canada, claiming physical and other forms or abuse at home, is once again being widely discussed here because of a damning report in the Toronto Star on the weekend.

According to article, last year, 710 Vincentians sought asylum in Canada, up from 179 in 2001, placing this nations of 106,000 among the top ten from which refugee claims to Canada are made.

But Cox, citing the 1951 United Nation Convention on the Status of Refugees and a 1967 protocol, explained why Vincentians do not qualify for asylum.

“… you have to be persecuted because of your religion, because of your race, because of your nationality. None of this happens in St. Vincent and the Grenadines,” explained Cox, who is based in Germany.

“… no Vincentian under the present sort of government structure that we have could ever succeed in getting refugee status in Canada. None! Not a single one. They simply don’t qualify,” he further said, adding, “So all of them who are doing that, they are playing the fool.”

Cox further said that this country has a legal system where the final power lies with the London-based Privy Council.

“So, as far as I understand it, from a legal standpoint, that weakens any case you have. Because if you have a problem at home, there is a legal system that deal with it and if that fails, you go to the final instance,” he said.

“And the Canadians, like us, came out of that same system, too,” noted Cox, who also mentioned the different legal system in French-speaking Montreal.

Cox said that in addition to the courts, this country has witnessed a growth in “institutions and organisations that look over these things”.

“Vincentians, as far as I am concerned as an international law specialist, will not qualify…” he said.

But, according to the Toronto Star article, Steve Phillips, this country’s consul general in Canada, in 2008 wrote to support the refugee claim of domestic abuse victim Leila Brown Trimmingham, who feared for her life.

Phillips wrote that Trimmingham would require 24-hour protection and this could not be guaranteed given the police’s “limitations and challenges”, the article said of Phillips, who is also quoted as telling the Toronto Star “There are no political, religious or social conditions in St. Vincent that justify any Vincentian applying for refugee status.”

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves, while acknowledging that some Vincentians women are abused, on Sunday urged citizens to stop making bogus claims for asylum in Canada.

“It is not a good thing that we are going there and exaggerating this problem, which we are having,” said Gonsalves, who is also Minister of Legal Affairs, adding that if the situation continues, Canada might require visa for Vincentian traveling to that North American nation.

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27 thoughts on “Int’l law expert says Vincentians don’t qualify for asylum in Canada

  1. Dear Cocks, are you the same man who is friend of Gonsalves, who he call “Russian Boy”, why not tell the people why he call you that?

    Are you the friend of Luke Browne?

    I am interested in your fathers Grenadian connections, can you tell us about his background

    Are you not a great supporter of the ULP and this Marxist government?

    Just tell us why you need to support what we see as very very wrong, women are beaten, stabbed, tortured and murdered here, there is so much written evidence that you are either blind or untruthful. Where can a woman run to on such a small island, the government although claiming to supply havens, have in fact failed to maintain such facilities.

    Shame on the people, shame on all those in the Diaspora who support this wicked Marxist regime.

    Posted by Peter | November 17, 2011, 11:36
    • It can tell have you have a strong -passion -hate for ulp and its government.you can’t tell me that all these woman are telling the truth,don’t get me wrong i know we as a country we have our problem. instead of bring down our government, what are you doing to help SVG . What are you doing to help the women of svg?

      Posted by derrol | November 17, 2011, 22:47
      • i totally agree with that what citizens of SVG are doing to combat the violence of women. What vincentians do not realize is that this continued war between the oppostion and the government is not good for the country. This thing about violence against women, although it does exist i think that it is being exaggerated because many NDP supporters see it as a way to attack the prime minister and the government. It is even more sad to say that well educated persons are engaged in this frenzy to bring down the government not knowing that they are hurting the people more all they care about is spot light. why cant someone take the initiative to open a centre for women why does the opposition and other people think that it is the governments duty. The bibl said we are our brothers keeper and we should be helping each other so why cant the opposition lend a helping hand instead of pointing out faults. This nation needs Jesus and without him Dr.Gonsalves cannot do anything to stop violence against women let alone any human. Stop the hate and lets pool our strengths together to make SVG a better place.

        Posted by raquel | November 19, 2011, 16:02
    • shame on you for not seeing the real problem and being bias against the government is not going to help these women.

      Posted by raquel | November 19, 2011, 16:03
      • You see Raquel, The gov’t hardly wants to admit that there is a problem. The truth about it is that politicians(primarily those in gov’t) are the creators and the ones who perpetuate the the problem. They should be the leading force in GENUINELY correcting the problem. On the other hand, if they don’t know, how can they start? That is why we need people who genuinely fear God with strong moral rectitude to lead our country.

        Posted by justice | February 8, 2012, 06:48
    • Cox is just stupid and aint know what he saying,lol. That is why ralph send him away because he dont want useless ppl around him. Cox you need to get a grip on reality a serious grip.

      Posted by stacey | February 7, 2012, 23:18
  2. My comment about this matter is, the government of St.Vincent and the Grenadines are not to be blamed for persons who make decisions for their own personal gain. I think that Canada has a responsibility as well to find out if these people are telling the truth about being abused in St.Vincent cause many of times they are pathological liars. I really think this stigma that is being attributed to St.Vincent is not correctly given because even though some people do things that are uncoothe that does not go towards the whole country and the government. Everyone are responsible for their actions not the government. Canada is as responsible as the persons from St.Vincent so instead of passing blame just try and solve this problem instead of blowing it out of proportion

    Posted by Raquel | November 17, 2011, 14:22
    • sup Raquel…. I really don’t know you but I am going to call you a pathological liar…… have you live, study, teach, going in front of a judge with these so call claimants to know if they are pathological liars…. research your words before using them……

      I must agree with you that everyone is responsible for their own actions..that why many women who are abused and fear for their lives are taken that step instead of relying on a failed police system in St Vincent that cannot protect them…. by the way how do we know what the goverment of Canada told the current Administration about the claims for refugee from St Vincent… the pressure has been put on to Gonsalves to take responsibility for the ever growing problem of FEMICIDE …yes not abuse only but the systematic killing of women in St Vincent.

      Posted by reflection | November 17, 2011, 20:29
      • pathological liars are people who go around just lying for no reason although they know what truth is. How can you be blind to what is happening. if you are so brilliant tell me what can Gonslaves do to stop violence against women. What can this one man do to single handedly stop violence against women.

        You tell me and if you can do it then you take the iniative and you do it because i guess you know what should be done to combat violence against women so you go ahead and do it. What i do know is that people would do and say anything to get what they want.

        Posted by Raquel | November 25, 2011, 09:22
  3. Richard ”Rumell” Byron cox always feel he knows everything , god give him all the knowledge and no one else get ant , thaths how he feels, thats why he could not work with the boss of protol mr Brendon Browne, i know because i work with him too in foreign affairs

    Posted by god change things | November 17, 2011, 18:30
  4. Well clearly he did not read the treaty of 1951 very well. That same treaty left it up to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to recognise that ‘Women at Risk’ are a special case , any woman who are being persecuted for reasons related to their gender as victims of systematic rape, sexual abuse are allowed to filed for refugee claim. YES svg have a legal system but it does not work

    Posted by cleo | November 18, 2011, 10:26
    • You know what, it is a good thing that this ISSUE came to LIGHT, because it will EXPOSE to the world how MINISTERS of the NDP, HUMAN RIGHTS OFFICIALS and LAWYERS have all CONTRIBUTED to the HIGH RATE of FILINGS of REFUGEE STATUS by Vincentians in CANADA.

      Posted by VINCY POWA (@VINCYPOWA) | November 18, 2011, 12:30
      • exactly it shows who had a hand in sending some of these people over their lol .

        Posted by Raquel | November 25, 2011, 09:23
    • well said Cleo….. it seems the focus of their campaign is to make sure the bouswazees from kingstown don’t have to use a Visa to go to Canada….. the real issue is the clear violation of womens rigths in stvincent, something the current administration is running away from and hiding behind the few claims that were not successful in Canada. Some of these cases are primarily base on poor information gathering by some lawyers who are not that verse on issues related to the Caribbean.

      Sooner or later regardless, the current administration in Canada will implement Visa requirements to all caribbean countries. America has already tighten its boards and Canada is doing the same ( case in point the south Americians- thanks to the free trade agreement that these countries signed with Canada and America. So if someone for EG. from Mexico filed for refugee status in Canada it is automatically denied because according to the free trade agreement, your country is listed as a safe haven for it citizen.. So when atrocities occurs in these countries they can’t lobby the Canadian goverment for proctection.

      So filing for refugee in Canada is not the only reason why Canada might require Visa for St Vincent, base on the current economical situation in the world many countries like Canada that have a somewhat solid economic system will move to proctect it for it’s Citizens…..

      Posted by reflection | November 18, 2011, 13:05
  5. Byron-Cox how on earth you can make such comments when you do not know anything at all about the individual cases in Canada. You are unable to say that these women are not entitled to apply for asylum.
    The facts are that the abuse of women here is out of control. This is according to the UN, World Bank, US State Department and departments and ministries here, and hundreds of news articles printed and internet. So who the hell are you, described as an expert with a doctorate and a nice UN job to dispute what your employers deem as correct. There is absolute proof that what I say is true.
    As a friend of Gonsalves who calls you ‘Russian Boy’ I think your vision is blighted.
    How about some comment on other good reasons for asylum such as political abuse and persecution. People who can’t get jobs because they are not ULP party members, when prospective employees are asked for a party card before the are accepted for employment. People who are fired because they belong to the opposition party, they and all there family are abused. People who cannot pay their mortgage or feed their family because of political persecution.
    People who’s house was damage last year during hurricane Tomas, because they do not belong to the ULP, their houses remain un-repaired and severely damaged. People in there 70′ and 80’s who are suffering.

    Children who are sexually and/or physically abused, hundreds of them, 3 4 5 year olds as well as other ages. Today there was a march in SVG led by a police band and hundreds of school children, big banners calling for the abuse against children to stop. Is this an imaginary fact as well.
    Incest is very common, it happens every day.

    You see Byron-Cox, you are out of touch with the reality of what is happening in SVG, you only reiterate what you are told to say, just a lot of spin emanating from the Marxist regime that we are suffering under in SVG.

    Posted by Peter | November 18, 2011, 21:03
    • Peter you couldn’t put it much better….. they all drinking for the same goblet of lies and belive the world is not watching…..

      Posted by reflection | November 19, 2011, 10:27
  6. All you people who wish to believe that women do not have a right to apply for asylum are a disgrace, every one knows that this abuse is rife and out of control in SVG. It s not me that says so, its the UN, World Bank and many other organisations. They make their reports from information given from SVG government departments.

    Every country suffers from the same problems, but this country is many time worse per capita, doubling under the ULP government since 2001.

    Get real, stop trying to support this Marxist government in its failures.

    Posted by Peter | November 18, 2011, 21:13
    • so i guessing you are saying the government fail to protect women and tell me what would eustace do to protect them send them to canada no one is more of a disgrace than you because noone is supporting women being abused we are just saying that more education and awareness need to be done. That is why every country has different sectors like social welfare and all these places so get a grip and get over yourself.

      Posted by Raquel | November 25, 2011, 09:26
      • You say social welfare, plz, u need to get a grip. I went through all of your comments an its bullsh.. i tell u. It seems like u live in de gov…pocket and kissing their …sess. You speaking about women seeking protection in canada and what the gov..of vincy can do about it!!!! Well what he can try to do, is to stop abusing his wife and stop getting young girls pregnant (like my cousin) and sending them overseas like/to canada, then i can say he trying his best but untill then, both of u and his regime aint they in nothing. I’m a woman and i know what it feels like, PETER and REFLECTION thank you for standing up for women and children, God bless u and ur family.

        Posted by stacey | February 7, 2012, 23:09
      • This comment was edited for inappropriate language.

        Posted by Kenton X. Chance | February 8, 2012, 01:18
      • it is bullsh… to you because i guess you might have people that are illegal over their so i can understand the fury, i not getting a red cent from governement i do not support abuse of women on no level whatsoever, but with the many persons who say that they are abused and fled to canada that is not true. Did you read the statistics of the women who said they were abused and had to flee for their lives, it does not take a person with much sense to know that some of those was filed under false pretense just to be able to go overseas so if you are one of them just say don’t be ignorant because you blaming ralph is so stupid because he is only one man i am eager to hear what you think he should have done more than what the policemen are doing you tell me in seeing you are so clear on the conspiracy of the government and you are so intuned as to who is kissing whose ass i guess you will better know. the reason why their are sectors in a government is so that everyone can pull their weight. you people are just being bias due to personal disputes that are clouding your judgements. so i guess if my comments sre bullshit just dont read durrrr

        Posted by raquel | February 8, 2012, 19:38
      • i understna d stacey that you are hurt because of what gonslaves maybe did to your cousin but it does not sound like she is complaining only you responding in ignorance. if you are saying because of ralph infidelities that he is not fit to lead then i guess you should generalize that to all politicans because it is not only ralph was found in a fault and after all he is not God he is human so therefore he is eligible to make mistakes. Now i am not saying that women being abused do not need to be protected all i am saying is that their is different sectors in the government that handle those matters everything is not to be done by ralph and inseeing some people use this abuse as pass to go overseas then the real people who might have been subject to abuse will feel it because of the lies of others. But if you have a personal problem with ralph then you cannot generalize it to his leadership skills that is not a good way to get across your point.

        Posted by raquel | February 8, 2012, 19:30
  7. If the Canada needs to put on a visa requirement because Gonsalves and other ULP want to lie about what is happening to women in SVG, so be it. That hurts everyone, not because of the women lying, but because Gonslave and ULP and denies that it this is happening,

    Of course there will always be those that try and cheat the system, but the one or two that do that are nothing compared to the many that are obviously bona_fide.

    Shame on all those Vincentian men who are beating and murdering their women, and shame on all those who support this Marxist regime, who sacrifice those women to save face in the international ring.

    Posted by Peter | November 19, 2011, 18:54
    • i think you are getting the wrong picture or it is clear that you are so bias because you are clouded by a party. I dont think you care for these women i just think that you want to stick it to the ULP and Gonsalves. No one is saying that women are not being abused and that this crime against women should not be stopped. But how can you say that every person who applied for refugee was abused, it is an exaggeration of the truth and i think that Canada should look into the cases that got their refugee status and find out the truth behind all this. I think that you are being ignorant and the fact that the country looks like a horror place does not bother you. But i know that SVG is land of the blessed and even though it has its short comings i do not think that it derserves the type of ridicule that it is being given just because people like you have a problem with the government in power. Just to comment if you think that ULP is doing such a dull job you really think that Eusatce will do any better the only thing that the NDP has promoted is violence, they are bad examples for our youths because they are saying to them that do whatever you can whether it be lying or cheating the system to get what you want and if they wanted to show vincentains that they are capable of power they would have been constrcutively assisting the government to make SVG a better place instead they are just thinking about themselves and selfishness always backfires. So the people that cheated the system of Canada just because they think that living overseas is a better place, the fact that they tried to deceive the canadian government they will pay the penality. i am just sorry for those who were actually honest and truthful because now they are making it harder for everyone. the government is not to be blamed people have individual choices and is because of lack of education as to what to do when one is being abused is one of the factors that women continue to suffer abuse. Noone is trying to cover this up but blaming the government is just plain STUPID

      Posted by Raquel | November 25, 2011, 09:18
    • well said brother

      Posted by stacey | February 7, 2012, 23:11
    • well said my brother

      Posted by stacey | February 7, 2012, 23:15
  8. peter that is

    Posted by stacey | February 7, 2012, 23:16

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